East Side Story: Terry “Tel” Hayes Interview Part II


J.M. Curley brings us Part 2 of Terry’s story; back into the fray with more history, notorious characters, a bit of the ol’ Southall gig, and updates on what The East End Badoes are kicking around these days…..oh, and the now obligatory SKULLY references as well!
Here We Go Down Now to the East Side.....
Here We Go Down Now to the East Side…..

TEL: …*BACK TO THE MUSIC* when Skully was nicked we went on to try a couple of other bass players and we settled for a mate of ours THE MOTH, Moth was instrumental in helping Vince from the Rejects to learn how to play the bass, we then carried on rehearsing and sounding quite good i must say with some really goods songs as well.  I had in the meantime done some welding tests for this major pipe welding firm and got a job with them that kept me away from home for weeks on end, so after all that we called it a day, has we didn’t really have the time to rehearse and get things right.

J.M.C: What made you decide to “get the band back together” after 20 years of inactivity?  There did seem to be a lot of prodding for you to do it!

Tel: Although our reputation from the early days carried more weight than our actual music,( quote Stinky Turner in an interview last year ‘fuck all the bad boys of rock, the East End Badoes were the REAL bad boys of rock’), people were saying get back and do some shows etc, so around 2003 I started to think yeah I’m going to do it, but whatever I do is so long and drawn out that it wasn’t until 2005 that I had the personnel in place to start rehearsing. At that time, and over the previous years I had been going to a lot of shows and festivals in the UK and in Europe, flights and hotels etc all at my own expense. I was going to see the likes of Cock Sparrer and Argy Bargy, etc. I would also get up and do a song or two with Argy Bargy, Resistance 77 etc.  So in early 2005 I thought ‘why keep paying out to go to these festivals?’ Why not get something together and get on the bill. I approached all the previous members of the original line up and they for one reason or another declined my offer albeit none of them had played an instrument for God knows how many years, and none of them had really attended shows anyway. So I approached some people I knew and formed the new EEB. After a few rehearsals round the July time everything seemed to gel, so we decided to give it a go. We carried on rehearsing then in the December we played our first 3 shows; 1st one was with The Business, 2nd with Argy Bargy and the 3rd with our friends the DKMs, all in consecutive weeks thanks to the help from some of our close friends we were off and running.

J.M.C: So the Badoes put out a song, “The Way It’s Got To Be”, on the Back On The Streets 7″ comp with Venom, the Strike, and others.  What was the story behind the recording session?  Did all the bands go in on one day and use the same gear?  Who approached you about doing the compilation?  Was this your first stint in the studio or did you boys have a previous demo tape?

Tel: I am not sure what the other bands got , but we was given 4 hours to record our track. It was in a very posh studio in Bayswater Road where a lot of big bands had recorded previously. All instruments were supplied by Rhodes Music, that’s a shop in Denmark Street, Soho. The 2 fellas who owned the shop would always borrow guitars etc to Cock Sparrer, the Rejects etc, so they supplied a couple of nice Gibsons and Fenders for the recording sessions, Although our guitarist had some Aria copy which he had broken the top string on, he still insisted on using that guitar to record with. (hence the terrible sound), We were asked by Gary Bushell if we would like to do a track, he would come down to the pub we always used in Poplar. That pub on a Sunday night was Oi night, me and my brother-in-law to be used to play the music down there, me from 7-9pm and him from 9-whatever time the governor of the pub wanted to shut, which was generally well into Monday morning (not at all good for work the next day.) Sunday night down there was the whos who of Oi in those days, with the likes of the lads from Cock Sparrer (I remember the night they brought in the new recording they had just done, which no one had heard, It was  ‘England Belongs To Me’, and you can imagine how that went down).  You also had some of Business, Stinky Turner, all of The Classic 4Skins line up, the lads from Erasurehead(East London’s answer to the Ramones), Barney and the Rubbles, Angela Rippons Bum and the infamous Tilbury Skins, and on the occasion Ian Stuart to name but a few.  Gary Bushell would turn up with the Sounds photographer on occasion and do some interviews and get some pictures. The pub was the Ancient Briton, the stronghold of Cock Sparrer’s infamous following from their early punk days, The Poplar Boys. That Oi night was a one off pub in those days, full of the faces from the major Oi bands packed with skins, punks and football casuals alike, and for the 3+ years that night went on, you could count on one hand the amount of times trouble occurred in there, that place was and could never be repeated.

J.M.C: Tel, are there any old unreleased Badoes tunes that you recorded during that session or was it just “The Way…” and that’s it?

Tel: The only official recording was ‘The Way It’s Gotta Be’.   There were a few tapes we  done ourselves, but that was the only thing we ever got round to recording, again that was all of my making because even today I never feel we are ready to record. Although there is a live recording  of a set we played at the Duragon arms in Hackney east london, which i find funny, as we never played there.

J.M.C: What made you decide to re-record “The Way It’s Got To Be” recently?  Did you feel the original version was getting tired or was it something that just happened naturally?

Tel: When the idea of Kings of the Street Punk album came up, Micky Geggus and Andy (Skully) Russell, whose label it was released on, Called G & R London, Micky wanted all bands on the album to do a  track from the early days and a completely new track, The first recording of ‘The Way’ from the On the Streets EP was I must say, terrible, The new one brought it up to date somewhat, and really proved we could make the proper sound in the studio.

J.M.C: The Badoes have played some high-profile gigs like WASTED and more recently with the Cockney Rejects in London.  How was the reaction compared to the early days?  Do you get the same buzz as back in the ’80s?

Tel: Oi! shows today are 100% better today than the eighties shows, for one predominant reason: there is very seldom any violence today, which for one, is healthy for the scene today. You have the Skins, Punks, and Casuals who attend shows with not the slightest hint of trouble. The shows EEB have had of late have been great for us. We have played Wasted/Rebellion for the last few years, we have done Punk and Disorderly in Berlin, This summer just gone, we had some great shows. First off with Argy Bargy then with Cock Sparrer both held in a 150 capacity club in East London, Rebellion was next, and to finish off we supported our friends the DKMs in their warm up show for the Reading/Leeds festivals all in consecutive weeks.

J.M.C: How did you start hanging around with the Rejects and Sparrer?  I figured the fact that those fellas are West Ham and you’re Millwall might lead to a little more than friendly banter.  Were there any punch ups between you and that whole crew?  How did you meet them in the first place?

Tel: I have done a bit of gear humping in the past and a bit of stage security all unpaid I must add. I have also done the same for Cock Sparrer, Back in the early eighties when I done a bit of driving for Sparrer, I would sometimes end up with more money than the lads in the band, as I was on a set fee to drive and they would have a percentage of the taking on the door, and believe me, you did not get a lot of people at Sparrer shows in them days. Again as for the football differences between me and both bands there was nothing but a bit of piss taking between us, although with Sparrer I had a bit of backing as Steve Bruce is a Millwall fan as well, and being Millwall fans we don’t have a lot to shout about.

J.M.C: Were you present at the infamous Southall gig with the Business, 4-Skins, etc?  What bands actually ended up playing that night before it all went ass-over-tits?  Regardless of whether you were there or not, what’s your take on what happened that night?

Tel: No, I was not at Southall, at that time i was in Los angles. I made a phone call home, and the first thing my mum said was your mates have been in a riot at Southall, which did not surprise me at all, as Southall is one of the most densely populated Asian areas in the UK now, as it was then,  it was a stupid place to hold a show like that in the first place. Provocative being an understatement, lets start by saying it was not an attack or invasion by the far right as reported in the press, it was just a show in the wrong place.  For days in advance of the gig, the Southall youth movement had been stoked up by the far left SWP to demonstrate on the night and come out in force against the gig, and that is what they did.  After the event the police found crates of petrol bombs which could not have all been made on the night, what with the amount thrown at the pub whilst all the trouble was going on. The Last Resort  played, as did The Business and the 4Skins were actually playing their set when the main attack started.  At the end of the day no one was seriously hurt but a few people took a bit of a kicking,  The press blew it out of proportion. It wasn’t the Rolling Stones at Altamont was it? But again it was the white British youth being crucified by our left wing press and it is even worse today.

J.M.C: What was the best gig you got to see back in your early days? We hear there might be a story about an instrument you acquired while in attendance at one of these gigs.  Is there any truth to that?

Tel: As with the Ramones show where I got Dee Dees bass, I was in the audience as a paying punter, after about 3 songs Dee Dee decided to hand his fender P bass into the crowd, who all proceeded to start fighting over it, I said to my mates I’m going to get that so off I went.  That night I had the classic black Ramones T-shirt on, as did the security, but they had security that written on the back of their shirts. From the front I may have looked like security, i dont know. It ended with me on one end of the guitar and this other geezer on the other end. I told him it was part of the stage act and the guitar was going back on stage, at this point the other fella let go of the guitar and I made my way back to where my mates were standing, it did not take long for the fella to realise that I was not part of the security, he then decided to approach me and we had a gentlemanly agreement that he should rejoin his mates which he did, wise move, lol.

J.M.C: So what do you fellows have as far as recordings since the new lineup?  How can we get a hold of it?

Tel: The only recording we have is a 8 track demo, and 2 tracks on the ‘Kings of Street Punk’ compilation, this is down to me really, as I always have this negative outlook on how we will sound in the studio. Although, I think we sound very good on stage I am always apprehensive when it comes to organising studio time. The demo was recorded in June 2006 over a day and a half, it should have been 2 days but England were playing a World Cup game and we decided to pack up early and go and watch the game down the pub (that’s what I call dedication). If anyone wants the demo just get in touch with me through MySpace. PS England did get beat that day boo hoo.

J.M.C: There’s been talk of an East End Badoes full-length album in the works.  How is that coming along?  Is there a label you have in mind to release it?  I also hear of your demos being pressed on vinyl.  Any word on that or how to get a hold of it?

Tel: Yes this has been going on as long as I can remember. No we have not had any offers from any labels worth talking about. We are going to finance it ourselves at this present time, I hope it will be recorded early in the new year, but at this moment in time there is nothing in concrete. The way I look at it is yes we should by now had something on CD that we can actually sell in one way or another, but a lot of bands who I know regularly put CDs out and I think a lot of time the contents are weak, one or two good tunes and the rest very mediocre. I don’t want that for us, I may be too self critical, but that’s how I see it. As for the demo being put out on vinyl, our bass player is sorting that out with a label from Valencia in Spain called Crowbar, I have not bothered taking a lot of notice of this as it’s his project. Once it’s sorted I will let people know.

J.M.C: What ever happened to the other original members of the Badoes?  I know Skully’s kicking around- is he still playing bass for the Rejects?  What about other old members?  Do they still play music at all?

Tel: Skully is still kicking around as are Mark Webb (drummer) Mickey Rush (guitar). Although Skully never played bass for the Rejects, he played a little for Barney and the Rubbles, and the East End Loonies who were made up of fellas from the Brittania Disco Groovers, who were the Cockney Rejects firm back then, again all members of the ICF. Mark Webb is now a surveyor and funnily enough so is Mickey Rush. None of them play music now, Skully as I previously said is now partner to Mickey Geggus in G & R Music, a record label and production company. I still see all of the occasionally, Skully more than the other two.



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