East Side Story: Terry “Tel” Hayes Interview Part I

The East End Badoes are one of the original oi! bands to come out of the scene’s origins in England. As the interview outlines, the band are nothing if not survivors, so fittingly, they have risen above, reformed and are playing today.

Boston correspondent J.M. Curely has a talk with Terry “Tel” Hayes, the original lead singer of the band, and general face about the scene.  The interview is a whirlwind tour of the original oi! scene, with stops at London pubs, Cock Sparrer shows and mini-riots, complete with names familiar to anyone with a passing interest in the genre.

Due to the amazing amount of detail, we have broken this one up into three parts.

The details, and the rest of the story, is best left to Terry…….

Eastenders!
Eastenders!

(Part One of Three)

J.M. Curley – Alright Tel, thanks for taking the time to answer all my prying, daft questions.  Now let’s sit back with a cup of coffee(tea in your case) and shoot the shit…

Terry Hayes -Thanks for asking me to do the interview. I will give it to you as it happened, some answers may surprise you due to the questions asked. So here we go.

JMC -First off, let’s get the obvious stuff out of the way.
How did the name “East End Badoes” come about?  It’s not your typical name and a lot of Americans who see the name on the shirt wonder what the hell it is!

T.H. – This is how the name come about, in the East end around what time a term of phrase being used basically to anything anyone said to you the word was ‘bad.’ Example:- a mate would say to you “look at the state of that bird” (girl) you would reply “bad.”  Well in 1980 I was on holiday in Spain with a crowd of mates so the term of phrase used was ‘El Badoe,’ bad in a Spanish sort of way. At the time I was in the process of trying to get some people together for rehearsals, and I thought the EL could stand for East London and Badoes was a good carry on from the Cockney Rejects, so that’s how the name come about, the East London Badoes.( Yes, I agree ridiculous) After getting the other lads in place, Gary Bushell from the Sounds Music paper come down to the boozer we used to drink, in Poplar, to do a photo shoot and interview, and in the interview he called us the East End Badoes, I liked it and stuck with it.

JMC – When did you get into Punk and the whole scene in London, and how were you first exposed to it all?

T.H. – My very first punk show was at the Roundhouse where I saw the Ramones in 1976, they were supporting the Flamin Groovies. My cousin who is about 18 months older than me never lets me live that night down, he was a regular to the West End of London and the places where the punk thing was emerging from around that time. He talked me into going to this show, at the time I did not know a great deal about what I was about to witness. Four of us set off to the Roundhouse, got to chalk farm and found a local boozer and had few beers. We also had a large bottle of gin mixed with orange squash for the show, and he decided to bring some ‘blues’ (speed tablets) which I had never previously had. So we have one each (so he said) and make our way to the show,  we get to the door and they don’t let us in with the bottle, so we drink it outside along with another pill, we eventually get in and make our way up to the little balcony area, I was realy feeling the effect of the booze and pills they had started to really kick in and i was speeding like a raving lunatic plus being as pissed as a fart.( to put it mildly I was a mess) The Ramones had started their set. I can barely remember seeing the Ramones and cannot remember any of the Flamin Groovies, but I can remember standing on the chairs and just collapsing in a heap between the punters and the seats. One lasting memory of that night I do remember was my cousin keep pointing at me laughing, he has this horrendous loud laugh and they thought it was great that I was in such a state, I still do not know to this day how many of those tablets he gave me. YOU LIVE AND LEARN. That was my first introduction to punk rock shows, my first of many. Not long after that I became a ‘Punk Rocker’ and started to buy singles and LPs, Damned, Vibrators etc etc, I WAS HOOKED…

JMC – When did you realize that something special was happening in London, that a “new breed” was taking over for the art school middle class kids, that a new scene, later dubbed Oi!, was emerging?

T.H. – Much as I have to bite my tongue here when I say this, I think (some may have different views) Sham 69 where the front runners of the Oi sound. With songs like ‘Hurry Up Harry’ and ‘Hersham Boys’ and their Skinhead following.  Their sound and the football mob choruses is what Oi music was/is all about, unfortunately Pursey and his band weren’t. Pursey was drafted in on a few of the Reject’s early projects, but he was fucked off by Mick and Jeff not long after, after they realised what a total prick he was. The Rejects, along with Bushell came up with the name ‘Oi Music’ and the likes of the ‘Angelic Upstarts’ etc followed not long after. The Rejects were getting plenty of music press exposure, as Gary Bushell had his own column in the Sounds Called  Jaws, giving exposure to all the new young bands under the Oi banner.
I was got to hear about the Rejects from a mate of mine who worked in the docks along with one of Mick and Jeff’s mates, also quite a few of my mates run with the ICF over West Ham, as did Vince, so that’s how it all fell in to place. I did not feel at ease with going to Rejects shows at first, as I had run with the Millwall F Troop firm from late 1976, and if anyone knows anything about football in the UK, they will know how much these two sets of supporters hate each other. Its funny though, as the vast majority of my mates were West Ham and a lot were in the ICF, check out 2 short YouTube Vidoes – type in, Cockney Rejects ‘I’m not a fool’ from Oi! the video, and Millwall Vs West  Ham ‘Old Kent Road’ to give you some sort of idea what times were like back then…

JMC – Were you present at any of those “Oi! the Council” type meetings, and if so were they actually some sort of legitimate meeting or just an excuse to get together with your friends and have a couple scoops?

T.H. – You ask about Oi the Council meetings, we were still only in early rehearsal stages when the Oi Council Meeting started, and in truth there was only one proper so called Oi council meeting and that coincided with a show that was going on that same evening. It featured Criminal Class from Coventry, Infa Riot and the 4Skins, who pulled out on the day, only for the Angelic Upstarts to replace them. The show was taking place in Southgate in North London, No we were never invited to any meetings. That actual show ended prematurely with the police storming the venue as a major battle was taking place inside between 2 large mobs, one from North London and one from East London, in short Arsenals Mob Vs West Ham’s mob.

JMC – Where and when was the Badoes’ first gig and what other bands played?  How were you received?

T.H. – The first Badoes show and the last, to a paying audience, was the same show funnily enough, the venue was Skunks in North London AGAIN. Skunks had quite a reputation for trouble. When we took to the stage we were greeted with a huge amount of abuse, although we gave back as much as we got. Playing that night were The Business and another band, who for the life of me I can’t remember who they were , I think it was Special duties.

JMC – How was that one fateful Badoes gig then Tel?

T.H. – We played our first and last show to a paying audience on the same night, it went something like this. The place was packed mainly with skins and  punks. We were not actually advertised on bill, although Mickey Fitz and Gary Bushell had sorted it out with the promoter that we would play between both bands, although word was about that we were going to play that night. The first band went on and played with no problems, but the atmosphere was very tense. It was our turn; we took to the stage, as I said previously to a major amount of abuse. Exactly what we expected, although we gave as good as we got, and was stoking up the atmosphere with it. After about the 3rd song abuse had turned to a scuffle in the crowd which quickly turned into a full scale battle. Our bass player Andy (Skully)  Russell had come prepared, he brought a tool bag onto stage containing an axe which he promptly produced, and proceeded to jump in the crowd followed by the rest of us. He was swinging it at anyone who would dare to come within arms reach, we had a few mates with us which included Cass Pennant, Andy Swallow, Tony ‘Boozy’ Barker to name but a few plus about half a dozen others from the ICF,the fighting quickly spilled out the pub onto the street much to the promoters delight i think, after a while order was restored and the gig eventually carried on , but we were not allowed back on stage,( I dont know why LOL).

Things for us at that time took a turn for the worse, we had two gigs with Erasurehead canceled shortly after that show we were due to do a show with the 4-Skins, Not long before that show was about to take place i went round to pick Skully up for a rehearsal we had that night, only to be met out the block of flats where he lived by Barney Rubble, who said the police had been there earlier that morning smashed the door in and took Skully away, hence the rehearsal that night went out the window.  Skully had been arrested and charged along with a few others for a murder where a Arsenal fan had been stabbed to death in a fight between West Ham and Arsenal  earlier that year, Skully spent 21 months remanded in custody awaiting trial which he eventually was found not guilty,  while on remand he was banged up with a fella from East London awaiting a armed robbery charge, of which he was found guilty and given 8 years.  Skully decided to spring the fella from jail, and this is how he done it: He hired a helicopter and pilot while posing as a property developer and was looking to buy a plot of land.  On the third time of hire he produced a gun and put it to the pilots head and made him land the helicopter in the middle of the prison exercise yard while the cons were having their exercise time, (remember our screws here do not have guns).  The chopper landed and Skully’s mate and another fella jumped on board and off they flew(that happens to be the most notorious of prison escapes to date in this country).  While on the run the 2 of them committed a string of armed robberies on security vans, in the end both being caught. Skull and Kendall both got life stretches being released after 15 years in 2002. Skully was banged up in the UK in the top security prison at the time, Whitemoore in Cambridgeshire, which is the flattest part of the UK. Skully and 5 terrorists from the IRA escaped from there after smuggling in 2 guns, only to be caught on the same night. The 6 of them are the only people ever to escape from that prison to date…

TO BE CONTINUED IN PART II…

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